Click the image to listen to the full podcast. In this episode of the Desmond's Army  podcast, host Matt Caron is joined by Zilla Cannamela, the President of Desmond's Army, and attorney advocate Joyce Glass.  They discuss the ongoing efforts in  animal advocacy,  particularly focusing on the implications of Desmond's Law, which aims to protect animals from cruelty and neglect. The conversation highlights the importance of data  in understanding the effectiveness of the law ,